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Post by DMB » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:18 am

I feel it's time to start a thread about idiotic stuff that is spewed from one of Donald Trump's orifices.

So he wants to ban all Muslims from entry to the USA (I wonder what he'd do to the ones who are already US citizens).

Then he came up with some rubbish about London. This has provoked a considerable backlash in the UK and London in particular.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ity-check/
London's Metropolitan Police weighed in, rejecting the suggestion that there were areas in the city that officers were too scared to patrol.

"We would not normally dignify such comments with a response, however on this occasion we think it’s important to state to Londoners that Mr. Trump could not be more wrong," a spokeswoman for the police said in a statement.

She offered Trump a tutorial: "Any candidate for the presidential election in the United States of America is welcome to receive a briefing from the Met Police on the reality of policing London."

London's mayor, the conservative politician Boris Johnson, also chimed in.

"As a city where more than 300 languages are spoken, London has a proud history of tolerance and diversity and to suggest there are areas where police officers cannot go because of radicalization is simply ridiculous," he said.

"The only reason I wouldn’t go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump," Johnson quipped.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 65756.html
Donald Trump faced universal anger and ridicule after he called for Muslims to be banned from the United States – and claimed that parts of London were “so radicalised” that police were “afraid for their own lives”.

Furious MPs and Muslim groups argued in response that anti-extremist legislation should be used to ban the billionaire Republican presidential hopeful from the UK if he attempts to visit Britain.

An online petition on Parliament's website demanding that Mr Trump is banned from the UK had more than 30,000 signatures first thing on Wednesday morning. The Government is obliged to respond to any petition with more than 10,000 signatories.

David Cameron took the unprecedented step of intervening in an American election by issuing a scathing rebuke to the front-runner to gain the Republican nomination for the presidency. The Prime Minister was backed by leaders of all political parties, the candidates to become London mayor, the Metropolitan Police, think-tanks and influential Muslims...

...Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, denounced the remarks as “an attack on democratic values” and an “affront to common humanity”.

The Scottish First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, said: “Donald Trump’s comments are obnoxious and offensive, and have rightly been condemned by people across the political spectrum.”

Tim Farron, the Liberal Democrat leader, said: “For someone trying to be president of America it frankly shows why he is utterly unsuited for the role.”...

...As public disgust at the US presidential hopeful’s comments grew in Scotland, an Aberdeen university that once awarded him an honorary degree said it was “considering” whether to revoke it. By 5pm more than 7,500 people had signed a petition calling on Robert Gordon University to strip Mr Trump of the award.

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Post by DMB » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:32 pm

The petition to ban him from the UK has now got over 300k signatures. I wonder if it will get to a million.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35052505
In other developments:
  • Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has stripped Mr Trump of his status as a business ambassador for Scotland.
  • Aberdeen's Robert Gordon University has revoked Mr Trump's honorary degree, which he received in 2010 in recognition of his achievements as an entrepreneur and businessman.
  • One of the Middle East's largest retail chains, Lifestyle, has withdrawn Donald Trump products from its shelves following his comments.

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Post by MattShizzle » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:54 pm

For a bit of humor, a bald eagle named Uncle Sam tried to attack him during a photo shoot. link

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Post by praxis » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:19 pm

The attack on Haque is just the latest in a series of escalating violence and threats against Muslims around the US. Earlier this week, a Muslim 6th-grade student wearing a hijab was attacked by her classmates, who called her “ISIS” as they put her in a headlock, punched her, and tried to tear off her hijab. The same day, a mosque in Philadelphia reported that an unknown man in a red pickup truck left a pig’s head at the front door of the Al-Aqsa Islamic Society in the early morning hours — pork is considered unclean to practitioners of Islam. And a mosque in Irving, Texas, has been repeatedly targeted by heavily-armed, anti-Muslim protesters since the Paris attacks.
http://usuncut.com/politics/this-muslim ... -hometown/

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Post by Jerome » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:13 pm

According to a MSNBC poll, the vast majority of people agree with Trump.

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Post by colourwheel » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:07 am

[quote=""Jerome""]According to a MSNBC poll, the vast majority of people agree with Trump.

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looking at that poll chart it says "has trump gone too far with his plan to ban all muslims?" this is not a poll on if people agree with trump.... people can say "oh well it's Trump, why would we be surprised of anything he does?" so typically an MSNBC viewer wouldn't think trump is going too far with his outrageous proposal. This does not mean they agree with him... Also a MSNBC bing pulse? this is what you are going on? a bing pulse can be about 500 people at most who actually participate if you really call this a "vast majority of people".

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Post by Jerome » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:34 am

Yesterday, Donald Trump called for, quote, "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

Do you strongly agree with this statement? Somewhat agree? Somewhat disagree? Or strongly disagree?
69% of Republicans Agree
48% of Democrats Agree
57% of Independents Agree

This is liberal California!

If terrorism stays in the news, Trump will win both the GOP nomination and the Presidency.

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http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRep ... um=twitter
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Post by MattShizzle » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:57 am

An opt-in poll is not legitimate. You'd need a randomly taken poll conducted by phone or such. If it is promoted on right wing sites and not elsewhere, it will get a right wing answer. Bad poll design in 1948 resulted in the "Dewey Defeats Truman" headline. Plenty of voters, myself included, never saw this poll (I never even heard of "usapolls" then there are still a good number of people who vote that don't even have internet access...
Jesus Christ people who never took courses beyond intro in social science (or statistics) don't get this shit...

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Post by DMB » Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:48 am

[staffnote=Mod Note]Derail moved here.[/staffnote]

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Post by Jerome » Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:55 am

Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 10h10 hours ago

Have any of the 200k+ Brits who've signed the petition to ban Trump signed any petition to ban UK terror suspects returning from Iraq/Syria?
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Post by DMB » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:40 am

I think the petition to ban Trump from the UK has at least as much to do with the nonsense he trumpeted about London as about his desire to ban Muslims from the USA.

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Post by DMB » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:13 am

Apparently, Trump picks and chooses about supporting terrorism.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... -terrorism

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Post by ruby sparks » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:36 pm

Yes and he'd have to pick and choose this time too, even if he got his way. There was a retired pilot on the radio yesterday who said he used to regularly fly Saudi Princes into New York for shopping trips. I'm guessing Trump would not bar them.

In the end, Trump is talking money, power and privilege. He just dresses it up as other issues to get votes from the foolish, powerless plebs that his breed of capitalist exploits for profit.

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Post by Hermit » Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:33 pm

Time's person of the year 2015:

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Post by DMB » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:09 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35083150
A Saudi prince has described US businessman Donald Trump, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, as a "disgrace to America".

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal said on Twitter that Mr Trump should give up his presidential ambitions because he would never win.

It follows Mr Trump's call for Muslims to be barred from entering the US for security reasons.

Mr Trump tweeted back, calling the prince "dopey".

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Post by Copernicus » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:03 pm

[quote=""DMB""]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35083150
A Saudi prince has described US businessman Donald Trump, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, as a "disgrace to America".

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal said on Twitter that Mr Trump should give up his presidential ambitions because he would never win.

It follows Mr Trump's call for Muslims to be barred from entering the US for security reasons.

Mr Trump tweeted back, calling the prince "dopey".
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I feel that I have to respect Trump's judgment on that score. After all, this Saudi prince originally backed him and is now withdrawing his support. Remove the "Trump supporter" from "dopey Trump supporter", and you still have "dopey".

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Post by DMB » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:49 pm

Harrison Ford explains to Trump..

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35059128

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Post by Copernicus » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:18 pm

[quote=""DMB""]Trump with new sound:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don ... 58f656ddc5[/quote]
That was not bad. I wonder how it would come off with a Cockney accent or a German accent. Nice idea.

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Post by Arpie » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:11 pm

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I don't get it. Isn't that how China is pronounced?? :o

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Post by DMB » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:36 pm

Is this a result of Trump's posturing? This family had got visas for the US, where they intended to visit Disneyland. The had paid out £9000 for the trip. Then after they had checked in they were told that they were being refused entry.

http://www.channel4.com/news/mp-demands ... try-to-usa
Mohammad Tariq Mahmood and 10 members of his family were already at Gatwick Airport on 15 December, ready to board a Norwegian Airlines flight to Los Angeles, when they were approached by officials from the US Department of Homeland Security and told their authorisation to travel had been cancelled.

They had been planning to visit Disneyland in California.

Mr Mahmood said no reason had been given, but told the Guardian newspaper that he thought it was "because of the attacks on America - they think every Muslim poses a threat".

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