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Old 13 Jan 2017, 04:19 PM   #663150 / #1
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We haven't had one in a while and this one seems ripe (or, rather, ripening). First, let me just caveat that this is brand spanking new, so it's not well formed or exhaustive. I literally just came up with it and then started to dig into the research to see what I could find (like an hour ago), so by all means add or subtract at will.

First, a few facts. Ivanka Trump is close friends with Wendi Deng Murdoch, the ex-wife of Rupert Murdoch:

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Deng Murdoch was actually responsible for setting up Trump and Kushner.

“Everything she has is available to her friends, which, believe me, is not common,” [Ivanka] told Vogue earlier this summer of her friend. “There’s nothing that doesn’t interest her, and she can hit five topics in a 35-second conversation. It’s really a whirlwind with Wendi. I can’t recall the last time I had a conversation with her that didn’t conclude with her connecting me to four people who might become great friends or great business opportunities.”
And who is Deng dating? Rumor has it, Vladimir Putin. Granted, this was reported in US Magazine (back in March of 2016):

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How’s this for a new couple alert? The rumor circulating around the corridors of power — from Washington, D.C., to Europe and Asia — is that Vladimir Putin and Wendi Deng, Rupert Murdoch’s ex-wife, are dating. Reports of the pair have been floating around for years, ever since their respective divorces in 2014 and 2013. One insider close to the powerful leader tells Us Weekly the relationship is “serious.”
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Murdoch, 85, filed for divorce from Deng, 47, after 14 years of marriage in June 2013 after he reportedly grew suspicious of her relationship with former British Prime Minister Tony Blair. (A spokesperson for Blair denied the affair to The Hollywood Reporter in July 2013.) The businesswoman famously made headlines in 2011 when she jumped to Murdoch’s defense and slapped a protestor’s face after he tried to pie her husband during a meeting with parliament.
The Daily Mail wrote in 2014 that Deng and Ivanka were friends long before Donald Trump announced his candidacy for President:

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Ivanka had close ties with Wendi when she was married to publisher Rupert, even joining them for a trip to Jordan to meet with Queen Rania in 2011. Wendi divorced billionaire publisher [Rupert] Murdoch last year and was said to have developed a flirtatious friendship with former British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
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As part of her divorce settlement, Wendi, who is Rupert's third ex-wife, will receive a lavish Chinese mansion adjacent to Beijing's Forbidden City.
The luxurious property, which has never been open to the public, reportedly has a total floor area of 21,500 square feet, and is said to have an underground swimming pool, a simulated golf driving range and a billiards room.

The Chinese beauty will also retain the couple's three-story Fifth Avenue apartment in New York.
That apartment building, btw, is 834 Fifth Avenue, which is pretty much .001% central.

Vanity Fair picked up the US Magazine rumor and stated (also in March of 2016):

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It is difficult to imagine finding a fourth mate who could out-titan a media mogul, a king of technology, and a world leader, who, combined, are worth about $23 billion. But if there’s someone you want to bet on reaching that summit, it is Deng, who is now allegedly dating Russian president Vladimir Putin, according to the gossip magazine Us Weekly. Maybe Deng, then, is the lightning.

… The two have yet to be spotted together in public, because that level of self-serving malevolence in one single frame would likely crumble the earth onto itself. But US did report Deng was spotted earlier this week boarding the St. Barths–docked yacht of Russian businessman Roman Abramovich. After Putin’s election, the billionaire reportedly gifted him a $35 million yacht to add to his collection of playthings, according to the Daily Mail. This one degree of mega-yacht separation isn’t quite a confirmation, but it has to count for something, right?
And, although Deng has denied any relationship with Putin (who wouldn't?), Vogue informs us that Deng is friends and business partners with Dasha Zhukova, wife of Roman Abramovich, so it's not just a one time romp on his yacht. Meaning that Deng would have had multiple occasions to meet Putin socially through her friendship with Abramovich's wife.

Which is all to say, what a small world. But more importantly--and getting back to the meat of the conspiracy theory--who is Melania Trump? Didn't expect that turn did you? According to Wiki:

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Melanija Knavs was born in Novo Mesto in the southeast of the Socialist Republic of Slovenia, part of Yugoslavia, on April 26, 1970.
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She grew up in a modest apartment in a housing block in Sevnica, in Slovenia's Lower Sava Valley. She has a sister and an older half-brother, whom she reportedly has never met, from her father's previous relationship. Although Melania's family comes from a Roman Catholic background, her father, to the dismay of their relatives, wished for her to not receive the Christian sacraments of Baptism and Holy Communion due to his commitment to Marxist-Leninist atheism. Melania, however, was later married in an Episcopal Church of Bethesda-by-the-Sea and has received Holy Communion there at Midnight Mass during her recent Christmas celebrations.

When she was a teenager, the family moved to a two-story house in Sevnica and as a high school student, she lived in a high-rise apartment in Ljubljana. Melanija attended the Secondary School of Design and Photography in Ljubljana, and studied at the University of Ljubljana for one year before dropping out. She speaks six languages: Serbo-Croatian, English, French, Italian, German, and her native Slovene.
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She began modeling at age 5 and first commercials at 16, when she posed for the Slovenian fashion photographer Stane Jerko. At 18, she signed with a modeling agency in Milan, Italy. She was named runner-up in the 1992 Jana Magazine "Look of the Year" contest, held in Ljubljana, which promised its top three contestants an international modeling contract.

After attending the University of Ljubljana for one year, she modeled for fashion houses in Milan and Paris. She then relocated to New York City in 1996, her contract and visa negotiated by Italian businessman Paolo Zampolli. Through her lawyer, she has indicated she first entered the United States on a business visitor visa in August 1996. She obtained an H-1B visa in October 1996. After that, she regularly returned to Slovenia to obtain a series of four more one-year work visas because, at the time, Slovenians could only obtain one-year visas in the United States.
When did she meet PEOTUS? Pretty quickly...

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After moving to New York City in 1996, Melania met her future husband Donald at a Fashion Week party in New York City in September 1998, while he was still married to, but separated from, Marla Maples; Donald attended the event with another date, Celina Midelfart, and Melania initially refused to give Donald her phone number. Melania broke off the relationship shortly after it began, but the couple reconciled after a few months. Their relationship gained attention after a 1999 interview on The Howard Stern Show. In 2000, Melania appeared with Donald while he campaigned for that year's Reform Party presidential nomination. Their relationship gained additional publicity after the 2004 launch of Donald's business-oriented reality television show, The Apprentice. Donald described their long courtship in 2005: "We literally have never had an argument, forget about the word 'fight' ... We just are very compatible. We get along."
That's sweet. See where this is going yet?

From a little known piece on Huff Post that I had read but thought ridiculous at the time (and there is still much about it I find more satirical than any kind of serious investigative piece, but there are bits that triggered which I'll highlight):

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The Russians have a long-range plan to take over the American Presidency, but indirectly. Just make it toothless on the world scene, and have an agent in the White House. Who cares if the U.S. has the greatest military? If our Prez is a complete dunderhead, he’ll be neutralized and nobody will take America seriously. And if he fawns over whoever’s in power in Russia, well, so much the better.

So they start grooming a candidate years in advance. They don’t pick a politician. That might leave tracks and be too obvious. They choose someone totally unexpected: a loudmouth New York businessman. They set him up with a Czech wife who softens him up surreptitiously to admire the Russian way of life. Not that hard to do since he’s a bully anyway.
Pause a moment here to note that this is not the first time Ivana Trump (his first wife) has been accused of being a Russian spy or otherwise a "person of interest" to Russian intelligence along with Trump. In fact, The Guardian reported in December that:

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The secret service of communist-era Czechoslovakia spied extensively on Donald Trump, it has emerged, with one informant alleging in 1977 that the future US president-elect “is completely tax-exempt for the next 30 years”.

The Státní bezpečnost or StB – the then communist state’s intelligence agency which dealt with any activity considered dangerous to the state or of western influence – spied on Trump and his Czechoslovak-born wife, Ivana, in the 1970s and 80s when she made regular trips back to visit her father, Miloš Zelníček.

Stamped “top secret” and bearing the code names “Slusovice”, “America” and “Capital”, the files detail the obsession Czech spies had in gathering as much information about the US property tycoon as possible.

Uncovered by Czech television and the German tabloid Bild...Another spy reported in 1977 that Trump’s businesses were “absolutely safe” because they received commissions from the state. The informant added: “Another advantage is the personal relationship [he has] with the American president [presumably Jimmy Carter] and the fact that he is completely tax-exempt for the next 30 years.”

During this year’s election campaign, the New York Times obtained tax records that the paper said showed Trump could have used a $916m loss reported on his 1995 tax return to avoid paying income tax for up to 18 years. Asked about the story during one of the presidential debates, Trump acknowledged that this was accurate.

In 1988 a further informant working under the cover name “Milos” reported that Trump was being put under considerable pressure to run for the US presidency. The Czech authorities should be made aware, he said, that Ivana was under pressure herself to not put a step wrong during visits to Czechoslovakia, or else she risked putting her husband’s potential candidacy in jeopardy.

“Any false step of hers will have incalculable consequences for the position of her husband who intends to run for president in 1996,” Milos wrote. He added that Trump was convinced he could win the presidency.
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The StB went so far as to send a spy to the US to monitor Trump, believing that if he was to succeed in becoming US president it could have a significant impact on Czechoslovak-US relations. A note by an StB spy named “Al Jarda” of 10 October 1989 details a visit made to Trump by a delegation from a communist agricultural production cooperative from Slusovice, the village where Ivana Trump’s father lived.

“They were given a welcome by one of the richest men in New York, Mister Donald Trump. He got them to explain to him extensively about the work of the cooperative and its further plans in the field of trade,” Al Jarda wrote. At the end of the visit Trump was invited to visit Slusovice. It is not believed that he ever took them up on the offer.

Details of how the Trumps were to be spied on are also held in the StB’s archives. One order dated 1979 states that the phone calls between Ivana and her father are to be tapped at least once a year and their mail is to be constantly monitored. It is noted that Ivana speaks to her children in Czech even when she is in the US as well as detailing the friends and acquaintances of the Czech branch of her family.

A Czech historian said the fact that Ivana’s father was registered as an “StB confidant” did not mean he worked as an agent for them. “Rather the CSSR authorities forced him to talk to them because of his journeys to the US to see his daughter. If he hadn’t spoken to them he would not have been given permission to fly,” Tomáš Vilímek told Bild.

Donald and Ivana Trump were married in 1977 and divorced in 1992. They have three children.

The StB was dissolved following the collapse of communism in 1990.
And where did all of those archived files from the StB go to? Well, little is known about Putin's KGB days (except for Dresden in the eighties; wait for it), but again turning to Wiki:

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[Putin] then studied law at the Saint Petersburg State University, graduating in 1975. Putin was a KGB foreign intelligence officer for 16 years, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel before retiring in 1991 to enter politics in Saint Petersburg. He moved to Moscow in 1996 and joined President Boris Yeltsin's administration, rising quickly through the ranks and becoming Acting President on 31 December 1999, when Yeltsin resigned. Putin won the subsequent 2000 presidential election by a 53% to 30% margin, thus avoiding a runoff with his Communist Party opponent, Gennady Zyuganov. He was reelected President in 2004 with 72% of the vote.
Holy shit that's remarkable. From Lt. Colonel to Acting President in just three years. But of course the meat is that he was evidently active in the KGB throughout the years the StB (subordinate to the KGB) were spying on Ivana and Trump and in effect grew up politically at the same time as Trump's first forays into politics. And Ivana and Trump marry two years into Putin's service in the KGB.

We supposedly do know that Putin was in Germany in the eighties. The Atlantic describes him as an "outsider" within the still old-school KGB and his mission in Germany thus (emphasis mine):

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The accepted story about Putin's KGB service is that Dresden -- which was the third-largest city in the GDR with a population of about 500,000 -- was an unimportant backwater. Putin's work there has also routinely been described as unimportant and even unsuccessful. There is no official version of what Putin was doing in Dresden, and he has not offered much personal detail. Nor is there any concrete information about which directorate of the KGB Putin worked for. One suggestion is that he was in an operation, "Operation Luch" ("beam" or "ray"), to steal technological secrets. Another says that while he was indeed part of Operation Luch, the mission was in fact an undercover operation to recruit top officials in the East German Communist Party and secret police (Stasi). The goal was to secure their support for the reformist, perestroika, line of the Soviet leadership in Moscow against opposition from Honecker and his hardline East German allies. A third says simply that the goal of the KGB in Dresden was to contact, entrap, compromise, and generally recruit Westerners who happened to be in Dresden studying and doing business.
So, if that last part in particular is true about what Putin's primary mission was, he would be well-versed in all of the ways to "contact, entrap, compromise, and generally recruit Westerners" long before becoming President and considering the fact that the StB was likewise engaged in tracking Trump's ascendancy at the same time Putin was apparently doing similar work in Dresden, it's not a great stretch to think those lines would either cross or converge and Putin would take over grooming such an asset if/when he became aware of the long-term surveillance carried out by the StB and/or whatever else was in play within the KGB at the time with regard to Trump.

Back to Ivana and then Melania via the Huff Po piece (redacting the sillier parts; emphasis mine):

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[The Russians] are really smart. They make the marriage [to Ivana] fall apart in 1991, when Putin supposedly retires from the KGB...Eventually they throw him prize bait: a Slovenian supermodel even more enticing than the Czech agent—she’s a classic femme fatale not even James Bond could resist. Putin’s been President of Russia for one year by this point. Coincidence?

Fun fact: Only 5% of Slovenians were Communist Party members when she was growing up—and her father was in that cadre.
So go back for a moment to the Wiki on Melania. That bit about her dad refusing to baptize her due to his "commitment to Marxist-Leninist atheism." I thought that an odd thing for anyone to include in a Wiki profile, but then I started looking at the profile again and then found confirmation from the Daily Mail:

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For Melania Trump is also the daughter of a card-carrying Communist and was brought up in a Soviet-era apartment in a country which fell apart in a bloody frenzy of inter-ethnic violence.
So the likelihood that the KGB would have known who Melania was through her father alone is pretty good, especially when you factor in her young modeling career--starting at five years old no less-- and the fact that she did popular commercials as well into her teens, before being made even more famous by a celebrity fashion photographer at age 17. Here is one of his pictures of her:



Can anyone say "Mata Hari"?

Aside from being an "active" member of the Communist party in an area where evidently only 5% of the population were, according to the Daily Mail, Melania's father also "arranged for her to attend a technical high school before she went on to the University of Ljubljana." Technical high schools (or PTUs in Soviet-era Russia) were essentially trade schools for people who were not going to attend University. But Melania spoke six different languages and did go on to attend University (for one year before dropping out). So why the technical high school? And, more importantly, what kind was it? Well, I found this from the CIA no less:

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In addition to politics, KGB recruiting and training of staff personnel emphasizes operational and area knowledge and experience from bottom to top. The main sources for new KGB officers are the institutes of International Affairs and Eastern Languages in Moscow. These institutions, which are better compared to the U.S. service academies than to other organizations of higher learning in America, prepare young Soviet citizens for careers abroad not only in the intelligence services, but for the foreign service, the Ministry of Foreign Trade, Radio Moscow, etc. Assignment of a student after graduation is worked out among the various consuming organizations. The students are under what amounts to military discipline and are required to accept the assignment given them. Few students,see much difference among the organizations these days except for differences in pay, length and location of overseas service and other practical matters.

In the course of their education the students learn two or three foreign languages well and study the history and culture of the area in which they specialize in considerable detail, although current politics is likely tobe a much weaker course than history. Access to native sources is still circumscribed. A substantial number of students go for a year or more as exchange students or as trainees with Soviet organizations working abroad. As a result, they often end up knowing the area, its language, its politics, customs, police systems, local geography and so on very well. Although the old-style Soviet intelligence officer who was raised in the shadow if not the institutions of the Komintern and could recruit agents through appeals to an international revolutionary ideology are long since past, the newest generation of Soviet intelligence officers can be quite effective by trading on their precise knowledge of target personalities and the problems and frustrations of the countries in which they operate.
It doesn't specify "technical schools" as a recruitment "go-to" but it does highlight the fact that the KGB did recruit from non-academic schools and Melania, due to her early success in modeling and commercials would have been on a higher frequency so to speak in regard to recruitment (i.e., not necessarily for average domestic operations, but more likely for more Mata Hari international "kompromat" operations).

Was she recruited by the FSB? Let's go back to the Huff Po piece:

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Wife no. 3 helps strengthen Trump’s ties with Russia. Putin praises him and they develop a bromance—or so Trump thinks. Egomaniacs can sometimes be easily manipulated.

Melania suggests her husband proclaim that legal immigrants might be as dangerous as illegal ones. It’s a perfect way to throw suspicion off herself, as good as having a murky immigration story of her own, or faking her college degree when that can easily be discovered, or making sure her nude photos get into print, or stealing lines from the First Lady. How could anyone suspect her of anything nefarious?
Oh and just for a cherry on top, Trump will evidently meet Putin in Slovenia (Melania's home town) for their first summit. That's where President George W. Bush first met Putin in 2001 and as most of us know, Slovenia (nee Yugoslavia) has a prominent position in Putin's vision of reforming the USSR. And this from the CIA piece quoted earlier:

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The phenomenon of marked disparity between formal rank and operational designation was probably more common during the period of considerable expansion of the First Chief Directorate's personnel ten and more years ago than it is today. At that time officers from other branches of the service were being brought into the First Chief Directorate more frequently than they are now. Nevertheless, the emphasis on operational experience and operational ability continues to be a marked element of the KGB style. The top officers in the service, for example, usually involve themselves directly in operations. They meet and develop agent candidates, they recruit and they handle agents.

In part this is a consequence of the strongly operational orientation of the KGB as a whole. A direct involvement in operations comes naturally to almost everyone in the organization. This operational orientation is manifest also in the concentration of relatively few cases per case officer. Generally, one man may handle four or five agents or targets under development. He is not expected to spread his range of intelligence activities further, although he may well be encouraged to develop a large circle of casual contacts from whom a relatively small number of serious targets may be selected.
I post that to show that Putin's training in the KGB would condition him to be much more "hands on" or direct in regard to any operational asset just in general. Now consider the fact that our intel says that it Putin was personally involved in the hacking:

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U.S. intelligence officials now believe with "a high level of confidence" that Russian President Vladimir Putin became personally involved in the covert Russian campaign to interfere in the U.S. presidential election, senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

Two senior officials with direct access to the information say new intelligence shows that Putin personally directed how hacked material from Democrats was leaked and otherwise used. The intelligence came from diplomatic sources and spies working for U.S. allies, the officials said.
Now let's add in the fact that Trump's US law firm (ironically handling his many conflicts of interest) has a significant presence in Russia (was in fact voted "Russian Law Firm of the Year"). As many know, Trump is well versed in the ways of the mafia as is Putin. "Mob" lawyers have a special place in lawyer hell, but one of the things they do that's legitimate is to operate as "mailboxes", which is to say a means of communication that is protected by client-attorney privilege, so essentially you can think of the US law office and the Moscow law office as a privileged pair of phone booths. But it would also serve as a way for Putin to assert his will/control/marching orders over Trump.

Much has been made about Michael Cohen as the subject of the MI6 report in that a Michael Cohen is a lawyer for Trump, but he swears he did not go to Prague and it's "fake news", etc. But I found a Steven M. Cohen (can't find what the "M" stands for, but Michael is probably the most likely) who is a prominent attorney with...? You guessed it. Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, the law firm advising Trump on his conflicts with a branch in Moscow that was named "Russian Law Firm Of The Year."

Steven M. Cohen is a Partner at Morgan, Lewis & Bockius and is the:

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Chair of the firm’s emerging business and technology practice, Steven M. Cohen represents entrepreneurs, private equity investors, and venture capital funds. He advises clients in such industries as technology, life sciences, chemicals, consumer products, digital health, and fintech. Steve counsels mid-Atlantic region investors and emerging growth companies in a variety of business transaction including equity financing transactions, mergers and acquisitions (M&A), divestitures, initial public offerings (IPOs), joint ventures, and international strategic partnerships.
The "mid-Atlantic region" for those who don't know is: New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Washington, D.C., Virginia, and West Virginia. Private equity investments are often real estate related, btw and all of the rest of his bio (found on the link provided) is weighted heavily toward emerging markets (aka, "Russia", though I found nothing specific in that regard) and "international strategic partnerships" which means he would likely travel a lot around the world (Prague perhaps?) in the course of his role as Partner in the firm which is in New Jersey. Chris Christie anyone?

So why the stuff about Ivanka and Deng at the beginning and Steven and the like? Well, it all paints a very small international world of connections that transcend the business world and shows multiple avenues of communication, but also something far deeper and longer lasting than even I imagined, which is just exactly how far back and for how long Trump has been on Russian intelligence radar.

It also may help to explain why Trump bizarrely has declared (now that he won) that Melania is banished to her New York Tower and won't be allowed anywhere near the White House. I originally thought it was because Trump wanted to basically turn the WH into his bachelor pad (and I'm sure that's also the case), but now I'm starting to think it was his way of sending a message to Putin (i.e., "ok, I'm in and now I take back control" kind of thing). Which in turn lead to these memos and the golden shower videos suddenly becoming big news even though they have evidently been known by both sides throughout the election. Iow, Trump banishes Melania to the tower (finally) to send a message to Putin; Putin then sends a message back by making sure the world (not just a select few) knows that there are videos of Trump being pissed on by Russian whores (aka, FSB agents).

I think that should do for a fist salvo. Hopefully others will join in and add/subtract.
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And then there's this (which I also posted in another thread in regard to Trump inexplicably reigniting a nuclear arms race):

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Trump stunned nuclear experts Thursday by proclaiming in a tweet that "the United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes."

And on Friday, Trump himself weighed in again, saying in a statement to "Morning Joe" host Mika Brzezinski of MSNBC: "Let it be an arms race. We will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all."

While President Barack Obama has proposed a multibillion-dollar plan to modernize the aging U.S. nuclear triad, no mainstream voices are arguing to increase the numbers of nuclear weapons beyond the 4,500 active warheads the U.S. currently possesses, several experts told NBC News.

"The thrust of U.S. nuclear policy for decades now has been to trim the fat off the U.S. nuclear arsenal," said James Acton, co*-director of the Nuclear Policy Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "At a certain point," he said, quoting Winston Churchill, "you are just making the rubble bounce higher."
So why the bizarre strawman rhetoric? Most likely dismissed it as campaign fodder; appealing to his idiot followers who think "Nuke 'em!" is a viable option. But it's also suspiciously in line with how closely the revitalization of Russia's nuclear arsenal was to Trump entering the presidential race. Putin announces the revitalization on September 10 of 2014; Trump first publicly talks about running in February of 2015, going so far as to not renew the "Apprentice" before officially announcing later in June. Which means his decision to run was made much earlier than even February. Indeed, it appears to have been as early as July of 2013.

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Man, you can really type a lot of words. But, fun conspiracy idea.
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Quick....Put in a call to Frostbite Falls!

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We live in a post truth world so who cares about reality. What it does have, with a bit of polish is narrative necessity.

Trim it, tighten it and then write it as if it was a confidential brief. Proofread it to perfection. Then dump it everywhere without context or explanation.

Gwan, you know you want to.

P.S. if you suddenly decide to give yourself a polonium enema while writing a suicide note in broken Russian we'll know you were right...
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Man, you can really type a lot of words.
Yeah, I know. I keep forgetting the grade school education limitations around here.

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But, fun conspiracy idea.
It's a work in progress and greatly helped by the fact that every intelligence agency and several high level agents themselves concur to various degrees.

Like former CIA Deputy Director and 33 year CIA career man Michael Morell,

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During a 33-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, I served presidents of both parties — three Republicans and three Democrats. I was at President George W. Bush’s side when we were attacked on Sept. 11; as deputy director of the agency, I was with President Obama when we killed Osama bin Laden in 2011.

I am neither a registered Democrat nor a registered Republican.
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President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was a career intelligence officer, trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them. That is exactly what he did early in the primaries. Mr. Putin played upon Mr. Trump’s vulnerabilities by complimenting him. He responded just as Mr. Putin had calculated.
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In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.
And, of course, the retired MI6 agent's own words (emphasis mine):

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Mother Jones has reviewed that report and other memos this former spy wrote. The first memo, based on the former intelligence officer's conversations with Russian sources, noted, "Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." It maintained that Trump "and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." It claimed that Russian intelligence had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him." It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on "bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls."

The former intelligence officer says the response from the FBI was "shock and horror." The FBI, after receiving the first memo, did not immediately request additional material, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates. Yet in August, they say, the FBI asked him for all information in his possession and for him to explain how the material had been gathered and to identify his sources. The former spy forwarded to the bureau several memos—some of which referred to members of Trump's inner circle. After that point, he continued to share information with the FBI. "It's quite clear there was or is a pretty substantial inquiry going on," he says.

"This is something of huge significance, way above party politics," the former intelligence officer comments. "I think [Trump's] own party should be aware of this stuff as well."
"For at least five years" in the context of when this agent first wrote the memos would have been around 2010 (and note the "at least" qualifier, meaning it was likely longer, but his investigation could not adequately confirm a more solid timeline).

Recall the Guardian timeline of when the StB spies on Trump and Ivana. It starts in 1977 and then continuously through to at least 1989, but presumably through to 1990 when the USSR collapses and the Trump/Ivana files are archived. And recall this, apparently one of the last important notes in their file:

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In 1988 a further informant working under the cover name “Milos” reported that Trump was being put under considerable pressure to run for the US presidency. The Czech authorities should be made aware, he said, that Ivana was under pressure herself to not put a step wrong during visits to Czechoslovakia, or else she risked putting her husband’s potential candidacy in jeopardy.

“Any false step of hers will have incalculable consequences for the position of her husband who intends to run for president in 1996,” Milos wrote.
Evidence that they were keenly aware of how Ivana could compromise Trump's goals of becoming President as well as an indication of someone of high interest to the intelligence community for well over a decade and looking forward.

When does Putin transition from the KGB to becoming a central figure within Russian politics? 1991, so he was still a part of Russian intelligence as the StB was dissolved and once again, considering his 16 years of training were evidently primarily in how to turn westerners into Russian assets, it is highly likely he would have known--if not earlier--at around the time of the StB files being archived that there was a potential US President asset being groomed for over a decade.

Here's Putin's timeline again. Exactly what he's doing between '85 and '96 (into Presidency) can be found on NPR to some degree (emphasis throughout mine):

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1985-90: Putin is assigned to work for the KGB in East Germany.
Where he (presumably) specialized in turning Westerners into Russian assets. Next:

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1990: Putin becomes assistant rector for international affairs at Leningrad State University. He also serves as an adviser to the chairman of the Leningrad City Council.
Excellent cover for international spying and/or keeping tabs on Western assets. Next:

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1991-94: Putin serves as chairman of the foreign relations committee of the St. Petersburg mayor's office.
What are the tasks of this committee?

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  • Implementation of the state policy of St. Petersburg in the sphere of the development of external relations of St. Petersburg, interregional cooperation of St. Petersburg.
  • Coordination of activities on the development and implementation of international technical assistance and business cooperation programs, including those related to the development of the city economy, social sphere, education, culture and health care in St. Petersburg.
  • Coordination of activities on the organization of citizens and organizations’ participation in interregional and international conferences and other interregional and international events held by the executive agencies of the St. Petersburg government.
  • Organization of work to support the compatriots living abroad, and to use their potential for the development of relations with foreign countries.
  • Other issues of foreign relations of St. Petersburg in accordance with the current legislation.
Iow, a perfect cover for international spy operations. Next:

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Aug. 20, 1991: Putin resigns from the KGB.

1994-96: Putin serves as first deputy chairman of the St. Petersburg city government and chairman of the committee for external relations.

August 1996: Putin is transferred to Moscow to work as President Boris Yeltsin's first deputy manager.

March 1997: Putin becomes Yeltsin's deputy chief of staff in charge of the Main Control Department.
That's pretty much what it sounds like. Basically in charge of every directorate within Yeltsin's restructuring (including intelligence). Next:

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May 1998: Putin is named presidential first deputy chief of staff in charge of Russian regions.

July 1998 - August 1999: Putin serves as director of the Federal Security Service, a successor agency to the KGB.
So at the very least, by 1998 if not earlier, Putin has personally reviewed all StB files on Donald Trump. Next:

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March - August 1999: Putin also serves as Russian Security Council secretary.

August 1999: Putin is appointed prime minister.
Right? Now recall Melania and Donald's timeline:

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After moving to New York City in 1996, Melania met her future husband Donald at a Fashion Week party in New York City in September 1998, while he was still married to, but separated from, Marla Maples
Not further Melania's seemingly calculated behavior toward Trump:

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Donald attended the event with another date, Celina Midelfart, and Melania initially refused to give Donald her phone number. Melania broke off the relationship shortly after it began, but the couple reconciled after a few months. Their relationship gained attention after a 1999 interview on The Howard Stern Show. In 2000, Melania appeared with Donald while he campaigned for that year's Reform Party presidential nomination. Their relationship gained additional publicity after the 2004 launch of Donald's business-oriented reality television show, The Apprentice. Donald described their long courtship in 2005: "We literally have never had an argument, forget about the word 'fight' ... We just are very compatible. We get along."
I wonder why. He clearly did NOT get along with his previous wives. And is certainly NOT getting along with Melania now if recent events are any indication. Such as the "My daughter is going to be First Lady; you are banished to the Tower" and of course this horrifying exchange:

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Now a little more digging into Ivana. Of note is this little tidbit I just found this morning:

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The StB's specific file on Ivana had a registry number but it is not available. Historians believed it was destroyed. But other documents from the Security Service Archive in Prague, especially a file on her father, who used to visit her in the United States, showed they were both closely watched by spies and informants.
It is from this other file on Ivana's father that we are evidently getting the information we have. The presumably far more detailed file on Ivana is missing. As for a file specifically on Trump, the historian from the Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes in Prague said that there's no indication of a secret police file on Donald Trump, but then that too could simply mean it was either never archived there (i.e., it remained active) or it too is simply missing and there was nothing in another file (like there was with Ivana's father) indicating its existence.

Regardless, there is more from this source that indicates to me, at least, that Ivana--who was also a young model, btw and as will soon be evidenced, acted as a child in films--was at the very least a Soviet asset if not a full blown Soviet agent, revealing information that Trump himself had not yet revealed to the world (and in fact had publicly contradicted):

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A year before the 1989 collapse of communism in many parts of Europe, details about Ivana Trump's 1988 visit back to her homeland were recorded in a classified police report. The Oct. 22, 1988 report claimed that Trump refused to run for president in 1988 — despite alleged pressure to do so — because he felt, at 42, he was too young. But the secret report said he intended to run in the 1996 U.S. presidential race as an independent, when he would be 50.

"Even though it looks like a utopia, D. TRUMP is confident he will succeed," the police report said, based on information from an unspecified source who talked to Ivana Trump's father, Milos Zelnicek, about her visit.

It was unclear where the alleged "pressure" was coming from.

The report is interesting because, in the United States, there was little public knowledge that Trump would consider a presidential run until a 1988 interview on "The Oprah Winfrey Show."

"I would never want to rule it out totally," he said then.

"I think I'd win," he added. "I wouldn't go in to lose."

But Trump didn't create an exploratory committee until about a decade later, when he launched a bid for the Reform Party nomination ahead of the 2000 presidential election. He dropped that effort about four months later.
So they knew he would actually not run in 1988, in spite of the fact that Trump stated he might on the Oprah Winfrey show.

There's more:

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[Trump] didn't travel to Czechoslovakia under communism, unlike his children, who used to spend summer vacations there.

Due to such attention, the secret police reports contain detailed information about Ivana Trump's trips to Czechoslovakia, including dates, telephone numbers she called, people she met, what they discussed and other details about her life with her husband. One of the reports claims the couple had a wedding deal in which Trump allegedly stated he wanted to have at least three children with her.

The Associated Press visited the archive in Prague and obtained copies of all available documents about Ivana Trump. Some of the content has also been reported by Czech media and Germany's Bild newspaper.

The 1988 secret police report in particular suggested that Ivana Trump was nervous, "which is not common for her" after her father picked her up at Prague's international airport after traveling in from Paris, where she visited a fashion house. Trump did not join her on this trip.

Only after she and her father arrived in her hometown did Ivana Trump reveal that the U.S. ambassador to Prague at the time, Julian Martin Niemczyk, twice invited her to visit the embassy, which she declined to accept, according to a police source that met with her father on Oct. 11, 1988. Ivana Trump allegedly said she believed U.S. embassy staffers were following her. The fact that she was supposed to meet with a Czechoslovak security official during the trip added to her nervousness, the police file stated.

She didn't give any details about that meeting, the report said. But it added that she said "as a wife of D. TRUMP she receives constant attention because he is pressured to run for the office of U.S. president ... and any mistake she would make could have immense consequences for him."
A little more digging into her background ironically revealed an extensive Spy Magazine piece on her from May of 1989 that notes extensively her and Trumps' claims that she was an olympic skier and that (emphasis in original):

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It was 40 years ago that Ivana Winklmayr (according to the 1984 Current Biography Yearbook), or possibly Ivana Zelnicek (according to Trump Organization press releases), was born in Vienna, or possibly in Czechoslovakia (being such a busy executive, Ivana can't seem to remember from interview to interview). Either way, within a few years little Ivana, her Austrian mother and her father, a Czech-born electrical engineer, had settled in Czechoslovakia. (A curious immigration route, particularly for the early 1950's; while the rest of Eastern Europe was scheming to escape the Iron Curtain, Ivana's family may have left Western freedom for a life behind it.)
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As a child actress she had roles in four Czech movies.
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By the time she was 12, Ivana was out of the house and in a very strict, Eastern Bloc-style training camp for child skiers. She went on to Charles University in Prague, where, says one of her teachers, she was engaged to a film director and where, say the Trumps, she was chosen as an alternate for the Czech Olympic ski team that would compete in the 1972 Winter Games in Sappoto, Japan. We know that Ivana didn't actually put on skis and compete at Sappoto...Seeking to discover for ourselves Ivana's no doubt very high standing among world skiers, we spoke with Petr Pomezny, the secretary general of the Czech Olympics Committee. "Who is this Ivana woman, and why do people keep calling us about her?" he asked in an irritated voice. "We have searched so many times and have consulted many, many people, and there is no such girl in our recrods." But this just didn't make sense! No Ivana Winklmayr? No. Ivana Zelnicek? No. Ivana Syrovatka? No--but now we're getting ahead of ourselves.
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Ivana had apparently done a little modeling in Prague, and soon after her arrival [in Montreal] in the early seventies she was signed by Audrey Morris and Associates in Montreal, an ultra-superprestigious modeling agency. A top modeling agency, you might say. In the glamorous world of high-fashion modeling Ivana hit it big right away...Ivana's rise could be termed meteoric, at least by Canadian high-fashion standards....In 1975 she told Montreal Gazette (in an article called "The Two Faces of Ivana -- Model and Sportswoman"), "Modeling is a job to me, not a career. I have my social life, my husband, and my home."

Husband?

When you've lived a life as high-powered and fast-paced as Ivana's, it's pretty hard to remember all the superglamorous things that happen to you. How else to explain the fact that Ivana never mentions her former husband, George Syrovatka, the good-looking racing skier?...George, the paper explains, had emigrated from Praque in 1972 and had started a ski boutique called Top Sports..."[Ivana] met George through racing when she was still a teenager and they've been together ever since," reported the Gazette.

Eager to talk to the lucky fellow who apparently was Ivana's first husband, we contacted Syrovatka and asked him if he was indeed once married to Mrs. Trump. "Well, uhhh. Not exactly," he replied and agreed to an interview the next day, which he later mysteriously canceled. Confused, we visited Quebec's provincial courthouse, where we could find no record of such a marriage. We inquired about obtaining additional pictures of the good-looking George from the Gazette, which had covered his skiing career in the seventies; imagine our disappointment when we learned that the entire George Syrovatka file had inexplicably disappeared sometime last year! We then spoke with various Montreal colleagues of George's and Ivana's who remember George being very adept with women and suggest that the two were live-in lovers. A top girlfriend, even then, if not exactly a top wife?
Or....?

As to how Trump and she first met, there are evidently different stories as well. According to the Trumps:

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[H]e first spotted her across the room at a PR reception for the athletes at the 1976 Summer Games in Montreal (where Ivana was not, as she once misremembered, in competition, since there are few snow-skiing events in the Summer Olympics)...Or could it have been--as other old friends of Ivana's maintain--that the pair met in New York's superswanky Maxwell's Plum, where Donald very smoothly sent a round of cocktails over to Ivana, who was dining with a group of models in town for a Canadian-fur fashion show?
Now, the traditional "innocent" interpretation of all of this has been that the Trumps are secretive and Donald embellishes, etc., but in light of the revelations of Soviet surveillance and the fact that Soviet/Russian intelligence has been tracking/grooming Trump for decades all of this takes on a decidedly different relevance imo. A Czechoslovakian/Canadian husband that isn't. "Missing" files on Ivana (and, logically, Trump himself). Claims of being an olympic skier, but is not, including a fundamental fuck up about competing in the '76 summer games:

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"We met in 1976 in Montreal, where I was compteting in the Olympic Games" -- Ivana in Hello magazine.
Note in particular the similar pattern of Ivana and Melania. They were both child actresses and models; they both attended special schools and Universities; both highly intelligent; both the children of party loyalists, apparently (with Ivana's father so loyal he evidently moves his family from the free west to behind the iron curtain deliberately).

Everything her father's file says about Ivana--such as being nervous about the US ambassador and staffers following her when she was supposed to meet with a Czech security agent, etc.--is pretty much textbook John le Carré only for real.

ETA: According to Wiki:

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In 1971, Zelníčková married real estate agent Alfred Winklmayr. They divorced in 1973. She left Czechoslovakia for Canada to be with a childhood friend, George Syrovatka, who owned a ski boutique there.
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In 1998, she bought 33% of Croatia's second-largest daily newspaper - with a circulation of 100,000 - she used to travel with her parents from the Czech Republic to Croatia on vacation. Also due to her investments in Croatia, and, as a sports enthusiast and supporter of Croatian tourism, she attended the first ever Beach Polo Tournament in Croatia, Rovinj, May 2016.

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And of course: Mystery death of ex-KGB chief linked to MI6 spy's dossier on Donald Trump
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And now this: Russia accuses cybersecurity experts of treasonous links to CIA
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I think this now belongs in this thread as well...

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Time has passed, but...

ETA: For shits and giggles I tried to find out what "DT Marks Qatar, LLC" does and it's actually a Delaware LLC, so why it would be listed under positions held outside of the US is a mystery, unless it is a shell company that does business in Qatar, of course. There are several companies that appear to be affiliates of a parent company; i.e., DT Marks Qatar Member Corp., LLC and a shit load of companies beginning with DT around the world, which evidently stands for Donald Trump. Iow, they're his shell companies.

Why is that important? Russia Sells Stake in Oil Giant Rosneft to Glencore, Qatar:

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The Switzerland-based mining company said it was in “final-state negotiations” about the deal, and said it was committing €300 million. It also received a five-year right to purchase an additional 220,000 barrels of oil a day from Rosneft for its trading business.

The balance of the purchase price would be provided by Qatar and bank lending, Glencore said. Glencore said the deal’s structure meant its risk is limited to its €300 million investment, equivalent to about 0.54% of Rosneft.

Mr. Sechin said Glencore and the Qatar Investment Authority sovereign-wealth fund would each take half of the 19.5% stake.
Anyone care to bet whether or not one of the DT Marks Qatar LLCs is somehow invested in the Qatar Investment Authority sovereign-wealth fund? Or Glencore, for that matter?

ETA: I've found this so far: Qatar Investment Authority. Not sure yet how it's structured.

ETAETA: That has led me to this: EXCLUSIVE - Qatar's secretive sovereign fund to restructure, say sources, which notes:

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Qatar Investment Authority, one of the world's most aggressive sovereign wealth funds, will set asset allocation targets for the first time and restructure internal decision-making, sources say, in response to a drop in oil prices that has crimped available funds as competition for assets grows.

In a cryptic reference on QIA's website, a tab saying 'QIA Review - Coming Soon' leads to a page which does not yet exist. The sources, who all either work in Qatar or for foreign institutions which work with the QIA, said the review process was currently ongoing.
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The fund was run between 2008 and July 2013 by Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani - a charismatic dealmaker who was also prime minister and foreign minister for most of his tenure and often used the QIA as a foreign policy tool, deploying its cash into areas which would help boost Qatar's power and prestige.

Setting targets now could result in the fund exiting areas like food and mining where it overlaps with specialist funds such as Hassad Food and Qatar Mining. QIA is already evaluating its investments in some mining assets, sources told Reuters last week.

The review could also see tens of billions of dollars flow into new geographies to diversify a fund which in late-2013 was believed to be around 80 percent invested in European assets.

That would crystallise a recently-announced shift towards the developed markets of Asia and North America. The fund said in April it would open an office in New York in light of its growing portfolio in the United States and last November announced plans to invest $20 billion in Asia over the next five years.

Those funds are likely to flow in particular to sectors where QIA has a penchant such as financial services, real estate and consumer goods, said a second source, a senior Doha-based banker.
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Its current director Sheikh Abdullah bin Mohamed bin Saud al-Thani - former chairman of telecommunications firm Ooredoo for 14 years prior to joining the QIA.
Next I'll see if any of them are connected to Trump, though there seem to be enough crumbs already.

ETAETAETA: Well, fuck me royal. I just found this from December 13th: Qatar sovereign fund tells Washington will invest $10 billion in U.S. infrastructure: sources:

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The head of Qatar's sovereign wealth fund has told U.S. officials it will invest $10 billion in infrastructure projects inside the United States, sources said, in an apparent boost to the economic plans of president-elect Donald Trump.

Sheikh Abdullah bin Mohamed bin Saud al-Thani, chief executive of the Qatar Investment Authority (QIA), delivered the message to officials including Charles Rivkin, U.S. assistant secretary of state for economic and business affairs, in Doha on Monday, a Qatari official and another source close to the QIA told Reuters.

No time frame was given for the investment. Both the QIA, one of the world's largest sovereign funds, and a spokesman for the U.S. embassy in Qatar declined to comment.

The QIA had previously said it intended to invest $35 billion in unspecified projects in the United States between 2016 and 2021, and it was not clear if the $10 billion would form part of that larger amount, the official said.

Trump has said his economic plans include a major boost to infrastructure investment. In one of the presidential debates against Hillary Clinton, Trump contrasted the gleaming airports of Qatar and Dubai with more shabby U.S. facilities such as LaGuardia and Newark.

The investment by Qatar, which hosts the largest U.S. air base in the Middle East, could help to cement ties with the Trump administration at a time of uncertainty in the Gulf, where Arab states fear any retreat of U.S. power could benefit regional foe Iran.

Trump has signaled he may halt U.S. support to Syrian rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad. Qatar, along with Saudi Arabia, has been among the top backers of the rebels.
All of that was just a shot in the dark to see where it would lead.

ETnauseam: There's MORE. This from October of this year: Qatar’s new NYC strategy:

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Speaking at a conference hosted by Euromoney Magazine in Qatar in 2014, Sheikh Abdullah bin Mohammed bin Saud Al Thani called for a moment of silence.

“Silence at times may be golden,” he told the business executives at the event, which took place the month before he was named chief of Qatar’s notoriously secretive sovereign wealth fund. “But I assure you, ladies and gentlemen, that the noise we are making here in Qatar is already being heard around the world.”

Indeed, two years later, the Qatar Investment Authority has made more than enough noise in the New York real estate market to draw the industry’s attention.
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In some ways, the fund has become even more private since it’s eaten losses recently on failed (non-real estate) investments in companies such as the commodity-trading and mining giant Glencore...
Jeesus! How fucking deep is the rabbit going?

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A 2014 survey of sovereign wealth funds by GeoEconomica, a political risk-management firm based in Switzerland, found QIA, which doesn’t publish annual reports or disclose how much money it manages, to be the least transparent of all sovereign funds.
Fuckin A! Glencore is in Switzerland!

EEEEE: It concludes (long read):

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But while investing in New York real estate may be safer than some of QIA’s recent bets, sources said it hasn’t been easy. That’s partly because the U.S. government doesn’t hold as much clout when it comes to major investments in real estate as its European counterparts. And when major public-private partnerships such as Hudson Yards do arise, they’re usually awarded to U.S.-based firms.

“When you’re dealing with U.S. private equity funds, they are usually selling all the big deals to American funds or banks,” said the QIA’s adviser. “There are so many buyers in the U.S., they don’t care about the Arab market. Whatever deals the Arabs got were always secondary deals. They tried to compete with U.S. funds to try to get assets and couldn’t.”

That might explain why QIA has taken such pains to align itself with companies such as Brookfield and ESRT.
“I would imagine the big allure with ESRT was the Empire State Building, but it was interesting that they made an investment in the company and not the asset itself,” BMO’s Kim said. “Part of the reason [for that], I think, is that ESRT wouldn’t sell a stake in the Empire State Building.”

QIA’s advisor agreed: “Qatar couldn’t beat people like Brookfield to deals, so they bought a stake in them to get access to those deals,” he said. “Qatar is looking to set up vehicles alongside big players in the U.S.”
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Approaching "I told you so" status? Two pieces from Business Insider:

How far up did it go?

The timeline of Trump's ties with Russia lines up with allegations of conspiracy and misconduct

ETA: The pattern is almost exactly the same as Trump's business model. The buildings he creates are the subterfuge hiding his actual destructive/bankruptcy business model (just as the nuclear escalation serves to hide the Putin/Trump "relationship").

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you really are aiming for prophet status on this one:

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Well, again, I'm not the only one.

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And the smoking gun just went nuclear: Russia Deploys Missile, Violating Treaty and Challenging Trump. The only thing is that the headline is incorrect. It isn't "challenging Trump"; it is threatening Republicans. It's saying, "Do Not Impeach Our Asset."
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I must say, media available in the US certainly has a lot of excellent humorous commentary on current events. John Oliver, Trevor Noah, and Samantha Bee form the base of my civil information infrastructure.
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I've been using this metaphor for years. Glad to see I'm not the only one:

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Astronomers can’t see black holes directly. They map them by their event horizon and their effect on nearby stars and stellar matter. We can’t see yet what’s at the center of the Trump/Russia black hole. But we can tell a lot about its magnitude by the scope of the event horizon and the degree of its gravitational pull, which is immense.
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Add another to the death toll. Jesus, I may in fact be next. Except for the fact that I'm not the only one noticing all of this shit.
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Let's add some Turkish juice to the turmoil.

Sean Spicer, specialist in failure: Trump unaware that Michael Flynn was a 'foreign agent'.

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On Wednesday, it was revealed that from September to November last year, while he was working as a top adviser to Trump’s presidential campaign, Flynn was lobbying for a firm linked to the Turkish government, earning $530,000. He and his company Flynn Intel Group Inc filed retroactive documents with the Department of Justice two days ago to register as a foreign agent.

Under the Foreign Agent Registration Act, US citizens who lobby on behalf of foreign governments or political entities must disclose their work to the justice department. Willfully failing to register is a felony, though the justice department rarely files criminal charges in such cases.
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I haven't been updating this because at this point, it's moved beyond mere theory. Here's another bit to add on Manafort. My favorite part:

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The White House said Trump had not been aware of Manafort's work on behalf of Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort, who is 67, eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006. "The president was not aware of Paul's clients from the last decade," said spokesman Sean Spicer. "What else don't we know? I mean, where he went to school, what grades he got, who he played with in the sandbox?"
What were we supposed to do? Vet the guy? Do a background check or something? ASK? I mean, come on!
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Add another to the death toll. Jesus, I may in fact be next. Except for the fact that I'm not the only one noticing all of this shit.
Oh, yeah, add another to the death toll.
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It would appear we finally have a bullet of sorts from at least one smoking gun:

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One source suggested the official investigation was making progress. “They now have specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion,” the source said. “This is between people in the Trump campaign and agents of [Russian] influence relating to the use of hacked material.”
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Old 16 Apr 2017, 01:04 AM   #669104 / #24
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7 dead so far.
Geez! You'd think that with such a sophisticated and cautious organization they wouldn't leave so many bodies laying around so conspicuously. I imagine the death count to rise even further with such sloppy work by these assassins and then the audacity of Russian reporters to actually report the deaths of these people along with the entire reporting agencies for broadcasting this stuff. They should all die now.

I mean, everything is so carefully orchestrated by Putin, no?
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Old 20 Apr 2017, 05:34 AM   #669497 / #25
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And here's the payoff: Exxon Seeks U.S. Waiver to Resume Russia Oil Venture:

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Exxon Mobil applied to Treasury for exemption to resume venture with Rosneft forged in 2012 by Rex Tillerson
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