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Old 30 Apr 2012, 09:56 AM   #360040 / #1
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American taxpayers paid an average of 29.5 percent of their incomes in taxes and social security, but out of a consortium of 34 countries known as the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), 24 nations have a higher tax and social security burden than the United States, according to the OECD.

In addition, more than three-quarters of OECD countries saw a rise in their income tax rates in 2011 from the year before with Ireland, Luxembourg, Portugal and the Slovak Republic seeing some of the largest increases. The U.S., on the other hand, was among the minority whose average tax burdens actually fell last year, the OECD reports.
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Old 30 Apr 2012, 05:06 PM   #360131 / #2
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While I understand that the total amount of tax is what's being compared, I'd really like to see something comparing the amount of taxation relative to what it pays for. There are a lot of services that those other countries are providing in return for those taxes. I suspect that the US pays a very high tax relative to the benefits received. I just don't know where to find stats on it
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Old 30 Apr 2012, 05:38 PM   #360139 / #3
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Oh the money benefits somebody.

Good bit goes for military. And even more during conflicts.
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Old 30 Apr 2012, 05:39 PM   #360140 / #4
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One big difference is the huge ammount the US spends on the military. Nearly as much as the entire rest of the world combined.
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Old 30 Apr 2012, 06:35 PM   #360155 / #5
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The US has a tax system that is unique for how little it asks of most of its citizens. Most countries take a deeper cut at lower levels of income.

In 2008 this trend continued as we had a race between a guy who said he'd cut taxes for 95% of the people and a guy who said he's cut them for 100%.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/27134.html
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Old 30 Apr 2012, 06:49 PM   #360157 / #6
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A slightly sick and twisted part of me thinks it would be fun to have Gamera in this discussion. It's ripe for 'tax the millionaires at 90%' rhetoric
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Old 30 Apr 2012, 07:09 PM   #360173 / #7
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While I understand that the total amount of tax is what's being compared, I'd really like to see something comparing the amount of taxation relative to what it pays for. There are a lot of services that those other countries are providing in return for those taxes. I suspect that the US pays a very high tax relative to the benefits received. I just don't know where to find stats on it

Hey! We get some of the best quality guns and ammo around. And the biggest, most destructive bombs and delivery systems for those bombs.
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Old 01 May 2012, 10:15 AM   #360375 / #8
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Im ok with the 90% level. We are at what appear to be historic lows for our effective tax rates while at really high spending. From 1936-1981 the top bracket was above 70%. From 42-54 is was above 90%.

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Just for clarification... You're OK with someone other than you being taxed at 90%, right?
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Old 01 May 2012, 10:28 PM   #360572 / #10
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Just for clarification... You're OK with someone other than you being taxed at 90%, right?
I think that might have been a banded tax, although I may be wrong.
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Old 01 May 2012, 10:53 PM   #360594 / #11
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Just for clarification... You're OK with someone other than you being taxed at 90%, right?
I think that might have been a banded tax, although I may be wrong.
Even so. I tend to find it questionable when people are so willing to decide that people other than them should be forced to pay a lot more. I have a hard time countenancing that sort of position.
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90% is a good rate for the very top bracket. I think it shuold be graduated more than it is now with no income tax below about $30,000 a year. Also, no loopholes.
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Old 02 May 2012, 09:51 PM   #360969 / #13
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Just for clarification... You're OK with someone other than you being taxed at 90%, right?
I think it is relative. If we are talking about marginal tax rates then there is no difference. A person making whatever the top rate is would pay the same tax up to my income level. They only pay the 90% on the dollars in that bracket. So if a person make $2 million and the 90% rate is $1 million and up, then they only pay the 90% on that last million.

So yeah, if I made $2 million I would have no problem paying 90% on my last $1 million dollars.
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Old 02 May 2012, 11:06 PM   #360996 / #14
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But you don't make $2M... so you're deciding how much burden other people ought to bear. Doesn't that bother you just a little bit?
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Old 03 May 2012, 12:54 AM   #361048 / #15
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Can anyone explain why the worker is taxed at all?

There is plenty of tax to be collected on income/profit.

Workers do not make a profit/income from their labor, they are trading a days work for a wage. There is not here profit, just an even exchange.
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Old 03 May 2012, 12:57 AM   #361050 / #16
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In 2008 this trend continued as we had a race between a guy who said he'd cut taxes for 95% of the people and a guy who said he's cut them for 100%.
Yet the worker is still paying tax in addition to paying higher prices for living.
Who benefits?
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Im ok with the 90% level.
That would be awesome!!!

In today's money you would have to make $150,000(aprx) before you paid tax, and then only on the money you made after the first $150,000.

Today the worker pays wages taxes on the very first dollar.
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Old 03 May 2012, 01:12 AM   #361056 / #19
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The scheme they run is to have their 'income' recorded as profit, here there are no wages taxes like there are on the workers' pay.
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Can anyone explain why the worker is taxed at all?

There is plenty of tax to be collected on income/profit.

Workers do not make a profit/income from their labor, they are trading a days work for a wage. There is not here profit, just an even exchange.
So are you saying only corporations, business owners and such should pay income taxes - along with anyone who makes money via capital gains or such? This might work - though they'd almost certainly lower pay enough to offset most, all or even more of it.
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Six of one, a half-dozen of the other..
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But you don't make $2M... so you're deciding how much burden other people ought to bear. Doesn't that bother you just a little bit?
stop worrying about people who make $2m per year, start worrying about disabled orphans
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I contend that it is unseemly for the community/government to tax the worker.
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But you don't make $2M... so you're deciding how much burden other people ought to bear. Doesn't that bother you just a little bit?
stop worrying about people who make $2m per year, start worrying about disabled orphans
Yeah this is kind of like an average person ignoring when thugs beat up elderly people, children and the disabled but as soon as they look towards bodybuilders/MMA people/Chuck Norris/The Terminator they step out and scream "Stop!!!! You might hurt him!!!"
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Old 03 May 2012, 11:32 AM   #361229 / #25
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But you don't make $2M... so you're deciding how much burden other people ought to bear. Doesn't that bother you just a little bit?
No. We live in a community. All political decisions require us to decide how much burden people ought to bear.
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